[p2p-hackers] iGlance is here!

Tue Nov 8 22:03:22 UTC 2005

you should be looking for money and try to get other developers...
i run a company doing peer to peer stuff; figure out how to create cash streams;

i'd love to have you develop stuff on my peer platform; my company is close to launching and we're doing this in the 'file' space; your phone stuff would be a nice bonus...

our front is html based but we run on the desk top.

is your platform very seperated from the os? our is, and we use WTL on the front; giving us very thin interface attachment on windows; my concern is MFC....i developed in MFC and its a kludge-kinda-pain in the butt object library.

as for NAT traversal, how is your simultanious connect?

David Barrett <dbarrett at quinthar.com> wrote:
As you might guess, iGlance isn't quite there. Here's where it is:

Today
- Open source
- NAT / Firewall traversing
- Scalable and reliable (maybe? help me find out)
- Phone
- Chat
- Video
- PTT
- File transfer
- Desktop sharing
- It just works for Grandma
- Ability to force relays

Also today, but not mentioned
- Skinnable GUI
- Extensive privacy options
- Extensive self-diagnosis, tunable logfiles, logfile harvesting
- Integrated bug reporting
- Window sharing

Not yet but intended
- Strong encryption on by default
- Multiplatform including mobile (WinCE, specifically)
- Gateway to normal telephones
- Good marketing / pr
- Critical mass
- Good bandwidth usage; adaptive for connections

Not yet and not considered, but a good idea
- SMS
- Whiteboard
- PSTN integration (what specifically? Like Asterick?)
- Integration with PTT radios
- Abilty to choose lower bandwith protocols
- Pony

Not yet and not sure what it is
- ATA ability (what's this?)

Not yet and not intended
- Infrastructureless P2P
- Anonyminity

Check out http://www.iglance.com/code.html for details on getting the 
code via the public Subversion repository. I believe the code is well 
commented, though there is an absence of overall architecture 
documentation. I'd be happy to create an overview for whatever area 
you're most interested in modifying (ie, if you're a security nut, I'll 
tell you where to look and where to hook in).

-david

auto43348 at hushmail.com wrote:
> Here is my $0.02 on voice p2p comms:
> 
> 1. Well implemented, OpenSource, strong encryption using standard 
> algorithms which is ON by default.
> 2. Multiplatform/Os including mobile devices.
> 3. Firewall traversing.
> 4. Infrastrctureless p2p. Not requiring a central server. The 
> ability to bootstrap on an internal network seperated from the 
> internet.
> 5. Scaleable and reliable.
> 6. Phone, chat, video, PTT, file transfer, SMS, whiteboard, 
> ability to integrate with the PSTN. Integrate with normal 
> telephones. Desktop sharing and PTT integration with radios (like 
> Dingotel) would be nice. Security issues with desktop sharing 
> would need to be firmly addressed.
> 7. It Just Works. Grandma needs to be able to download, click and 
> use.
> 8. ATA ability. Ability to put on a standalone device to create 
> an ATA. Drop on something like one of the linux based routers to 
> create an ATA.
> 9. Good marketing and PR. A critical mass is well, um critical. :)
> 10. Ability to force relays and increase anonymity if desired 
> would be nice.
> 11. Effecient use of bandwidth and CPU, with an ability to choose 
> low bandwidth/cpu protocols if desired to help with slower 
> computers, limited bandwidth (like mobile wireless) and sat 
> connections.
> 12. The pie in the sky would the ability to call (in both 
> directions) an ATA, softphone, 2way radio, SMS, chat or cell and 
> obtain a p2p secure SIP connection using a central 
> infrastructureless design with also having the ability to interface 
> with the PSTN using private gateways or paid services as needed.
> 
> Something like Skype with it's momentum, critical mass, firewall 
> traversal, multiplatform, default encryption, It Just Works feel, 
> PSTN integration; the 2way ability of Dingotel; OpenSource and 
> multiple protocol interfacing like Gaim; Well implemented, peer 
> reviewed strong secuirty like PGP/GPG/ciphire, with an internal 
> design which doesn't require a central infrastructure and therefore 
> is robust and cannot be shut down (so you don't have problems like 
> after Katrina that because the regional switch was down or 
> overloaded, New Orleans cell phones being called from NY and 
> physically present in Atlanta, don't work.), and works/integrates 
> on an inexpensive black box like a Sipura.
> 
> I am repeating myself, but that should demonstrate the general 
> idea. :)
> 
> rearden
> 
> 
>>Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 20:23:12 -0800
>>From: David Barrett 
>>Subject: Re: [p2p-hackers] iGlance is here!
>>To: "Peer-to-peer development." 

>>Message-ID: <1131337414.29029B5D at dg11.dngr.org>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>>
>>On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 8:45 am, Ian Clarke wrote:
>>
>>>Its about time someone did this :-)
>>
>>I thought so too! :) Push-to-talk is a nice middle-ground, and 
>>the 
>>video presence is really quite powerful when both sides have 
>>cameras.
>>
>>
>>
>>>It seems like you are pretty heavily reliant on windows stuff 
>>
>>though, 
>>
>>>any plans for Mac or Linux versions? How portable is the code?
>>
>>Actually, there are very few windows dependencies and platform 
>>portability was a design goal from the outset. All the file, 
>>threads, 
>>TLS, sockets, and base stuff currently cross compiles between 
>>Windows 
>>and Linux (and WinCE for a bit, but I pulled it). Generally 
>>libpig is 
>>very thin, and almost all of the platform specific code is one in 
>>one 
>>file (GNonPortable_Win32.cpp/_Linux.cpp).
>>
>>The "thickest" part of libpig is the audio/video capture/playback 
>>part 
>>as that depends heavily on the platform, but the external API is 
>>very 
>>minimal.
>>
>>Another somewhat "thick" area is the GUI. But I've sliced this 
>>into two 
>>layers:
>>- A platform dependent "display RGBA bitmap and return input 
>>events" 
>>architecture
>>- A platform independent, XML-based, HTML-like, skinnable GUI 
>>engine
>>
>>The intent behind libpig is to create thin cross-compile layer, 
>>rather 
>>than a application design philosophy. Sorta the difference 
>>between 
>>OpenGL and DirectX -- I want it to fit into my architecture, and 
>>not 
>>architect around its design.
>>
>>My original intent was to just use APR, ACE, Qt, Boost, etc, but I 
>>found 
>>myself confused by deep polymorphic trees, esoteric programming 
>>practices, compilation problems, licensing problems, and so on. 
>>Eventually I decided my needs were so minimal that I'd just go my 
>>own 
>>way, and I don't regret the decision in the least.
>>
>>
>>
>>>I personally use a Mac, but I will give this a try on Virtual 
>>
>>PC.
>>
>>Excellent. Incidentally, I'm extremely eager to do a Mac port (I 
>>spend 
>>most my life in coffeeshops -- for which iGlance is idealy suited -
>>- and 
>>Macs outnumber PCs maybe 2:1). But I don't know jack about the 
>>platform, it doesn't work well in VM ware, and I don't want to lug 
>>
>>around two laptops.
>>
>>If anyone is interested in bringing iGlance to the Mac, I am *all 
>>ears*.
>>
>>
>>>All the best,
>>
>>-david
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