[linux-elitists] Political solutions to mass surveillance?
ruben at mrbrklyn.com
Fri Jul 25 08:14:17 PDT 2014
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 05:56:55AM -0700, Don Marti wrote:
> Here's something I don't get. Maybe somebody
> else on the list gets it. What's the point of a
> ban/restriction/de-funding of mass surveillance in
> the USA? Why do people strain their precious carpal
> tunnels discussing political action in this area?
> I'm sure that there must be some reason, but I'm
> having trouble understanding what it would be.
> It seems like a political solution in this area would
> do for privacy what cutting back on software testing
> does for system stability.
> * No effect on foreign surveillance.
> * No effect on private sector surveillance. User
> data is still in company databases, where it can
> be compromised (as it regularly is) or acquired.
> * Affects "public secret surveillance" but not true
> "black programs." You could put Bruce Schneier
> in charge of NSA, and reduce its function to just
> going to standards meetings and running the museum.
> But all the stuff that was secret pre-Snowden would
> just move to another budget, and the taxpayers
> would buy a new agency another office complex.
> It's a positive step to say that "Pervasive Monitoring
> is an Attack"...
> ...but jumping from there to "there ought to be a
> law" seems counterproductive. "Reform" that's just
> enough to say, "see, we did something, now we can keep
> selling the same surveillance-friendly services and
> Builds of Questionable Provenance" might be worse than
> no action at all.
> (No, this isn't an "open source is the answer"
> situation. Open source, reviewed and/or signed off by
> people in multiple juristictions, with deterministic
> builds, maybe then you're starting to get somewhere.)
> Don Marti
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