[linux-elitists] The North American Free Software Conference: Freedom-IT

Ruben Safir ruben@mrbrklyn.com
Mon Oct 22 19:58:09 PDT 2007

On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 05:07:01PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> on Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 12:32:08AM +0200, Peter Lowe (pgl@yoyo.org) wrote:
> > On Mon 22-10-2007 11:40 pm, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > > Mozilla's mailreader *does* thread, no?
> > 
> > Yeah, sorry about this - I have to admit to being a bit shit with
> > Thunderbird as far as posting to mailing lists goes. I can't figure out
> > how to get it to be mutt.
> I find that mutt makes a pretty good mutt.
> Echoing a trend:  mutt running on an ssh-reachable host, in a screen
> session, is my preferred MO.  Barring that, there are win32 ports of
> mutt either directly or (preferred) through Cygwin.

The port is blocked in the hospital.  I have to use VNC through a Browser.

Not that secure to say the least.


> > Actually, trying to find a decent Win32 IMAP mail client has been causing
> > me a fairly constant amount of distress (which is a bit weird - must be a
> > hard problem to solve, making a mail program which doesn't suck).
> In the past few years I've tried:  Mail.app, Thunderbird, Eudora, MS
> Outlook (several variants), KMail (and Kontact, a multi-app PIM wrapper
> for KDE), and Evolution, among others.  Mutt is my preferred client,
> work or personal.
> Where I need a modicum of interaction with an MS Exchange server,
> including limited calendaring, KMail and Kontact work pretty well.  This
> requires IMAP access on the Exchange server be enabled.
> Every once in a while I need to actually hit Outlook, via rdesktop, to
> set up a meeting.  Fortunately that's rare (once or twice a quarter).
> Pretty much everything else sucks rocks and sends me screaming back to
> mutt.
> Mutt on RHEL4 sucked rocks and sent me screaming back to mutt on Debian
> (header cache and a couple of keybindings I've since forgotten).
> > Thunderbird is the second IMAP client I've tried (after Opera's mail
> > client shit all over me - fuck you, Opera M2! Opera may be the best web
> > browser in the whole wide world ever ever, but you're a crusty hippy), and
> > honestly it's not that great. 
> I used offlineimap for a while.  It ... worked.  It didn't deliver
> nirvana by any stretch.
> I'm currently using fetchmail over imap to allow use of procmail filters
> in a more straightforward sense, for mutt.  KMail's using IMAP directly.
> > In the meantime, I don't suppose anyone can recommend another IMAP client?
> See above.
> The fundamental problem I've got with most GUI clients is that they're
> GUI, and the mouse just plain Gets In The Way.  Some may or may not have
> better keyboard acceleration features than others.  What mutt (and my
> finger memory, and a sufficient header cache, and a mailstream flow
> through fetchmail and procmail) offers is the ability to cut through the
> crap, get the hell out of my way, and deliver my mail to me.  T-Bird
> isn't aimed at the elitist market.
> Peace.
> -- 
> Karsten M. Self <karsten@linuxmafia.com>        http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten
>     Ceterum censeo, Caldera delenda est.

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