[linux-elitists] Spam spam spam spam

Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com
Thu Feb 17 20:33:23 PST 2005

on Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 11:17:58PM -0500, Aaron Sherman (ajs@ajs.com) wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-02-18 at 09:37 +1100, Martin Pool wrote:
> > On 17 Feb 2005, Aaron Sherman <ajs@ajs.com> wrote:
> > > explain to me exactly what
> > > this company is doing. MCI claimed "spamware [is not] a violation of its
> > > terms of service"... what does that mean? Is this company sending out
> > > UCE in bulk, originating from MCI IPs?
> > No, as I understand it they are hosting a site, send-safe, that sells
> > software for sending spam, and also access to a list of zombie
> > machines through which it may be sent.
> [...]
> > I think I would rather see a criminal case against send-safe and MCI
> > for aiding violations of unauthorized intrusion and computer crime
> > laws.
> Huh, well certainly I'd love to see a case against send-safe, assuming
> they do indeed sell spamming software and zombie lists. But, I'm stunned
> that people are pushing MCI to have send-safe removed. If they're not
> spamming, then they're just scumbags, not violators of MCI's ToS. No
> vendor should be required to take action against a customer for criminal
> behavior without due process. None. Ever.
> Pointing the FBI at them might make sense, but trying to drag Cerf's
> name through the mud in a political move through ACM seems damn near
> worse than spam in the first place. If we have to sink to those levels
> to combat spam, then have we gained anything in the fight? And do you
> try to ruin Cerf's day just because he's being honored for a major
> contribution to modern technology?
> How sad.

No, how appropriate.

Don't be evil.


Karsten M. Self <kmself@ix.netcom.com>        http://kmself.home.netcom.com/
 What Part of "Gestalt" don't you understand?
    The question is not whether I'm paranoid, it's whether I'm paranoid enough.
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