[linux-elitists] Re: GNOME > you
Karsten M. Self
Tue Jan 6 03:28:18 PST 2004
on Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 10:17:33PM +1100, Michael Still (firstname.lastname@example.org) wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > on Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 09:01:36PM +1100, Michael Still (email@example.com) wrote:
> > > On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > > Dude, this is open source. If there really is that big a problem with
> > > Gnome, then it will just go away, having looked up one day and discovered
> > > that it has no users. If you're wrong on the other hand, then in 10 years
> > > Gnome will be considered the ants pants, and Google users will be free to
> > > see how wrong you were.
> > The IMO false assumption here is that free software is now what it was
> > five or ten years ago: mostly the purvue of hobbyists and techies.
> > It's not. It's a multi-billion-dollar industry.
> Yes, but surely like all industries, market forces will win out in the
> end. People will vote with their feet and not use what sucks -- that's why
> Microsoft is so worried now, because they're running out of friends.
Having studied econ, and still reading economists (I recommend Krugman,
de Long, and Varian), I've got a lot less faith in fair and efficient
markets in the presence of distortions, corruption, and monopoly abuse.
Microsoft has sucked for a long time. The glimmer of hope is still just
a glimmer (though it can, and I suspect will, change very quickly when
it does change).
> (In my personal opinion, and I'm not interested in debating it, one of the
> coolest things to happen in the last few years is watching my friends
> _stop_ evangelizing open source. People come to them now, because they
> are actively seeking their own alternative to MS. The tables are
I've also seen this, and have commented here.
> If Gnome is as bad as people say, then market forces will squish it.
> If you don't want that to happen, then submit patches, or at the very
> least submit bug reports to the formal process.
If it's a handful of annoyingly, obnoxiously, but correct folks on L-E,
vs. billion-dollar marketing budgets from Sun, IBM, HP, and others, that
shift could take a while in coming.
> Jeff might be publically visible, but he's not the entire Gnome project.
A strong trend of free software (and other) projects is for a group
culture to emerge. Witness FSF/GNU, the XFree86 project, the *BSDs,
Apache, Perl, the kernel development team, the High Temple of djb,
Debian, Gentoo, Ximian / Mono, etc. I'm seeing signs of same with GNOME
which I don't care for. Mr. Waugh's statements, attitude, and response
to criticism aren't unique within GNOME.
Karsten M. Self <firstname.lastname@example.org> http://kmself.home.netcom.com/
What Part of "Gestalt" don't you understand?
Ceterum censeo, Caldera delenda est.
SCO vs IBM Linux lawsuit info: http://sco.iwethey.org
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