[linux-elitists] [RANT] Debian the Elitist Distribution?
Karsten M. Self
Fri Feb 20 21:44:03 PST 2004
on Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 04:01:55PM +1100, Mike MacCana (email@example.com) wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Feb 2004, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > on Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 08:00:16AM -0800, The Robber of Zork (firstname.lastname@example.org) wrote:
> > > begin Adam Sampson quotation:
> > >
> > > > This isn't much help if you're trying to unpack an RPM on a non-Linux
> > > > system...
> > >
> > > Why so shy? Which "non-Linux system"?
> > RPM is a binary format.
> As is tar. We already know this.
> > Standard RPM tools ('rpm' or 'alien') require standard RPM libraries to
> > function.
> Its important that any Linux system can unpack an package, and RPM meets
> that (using my personal definition of 'Linux', which is a Linux
> distribution that is attempting to conform to the LSB. If it isn't, then I
> don't think it's Linux. Yes, really).
> The advantage of being able to unpack a Linux (RPM) package on other non
> Linux systems is pretty minimal.
Those are the words of someone who's never had to resurrect a crippled
system using at-hand tools, whether they be other 'nixen, 'Doze, or
other tools of last resort.
Being able to "ar -x" a DEB and pull out the pieces you need _has_ saved
this homie's ass more than once.
> Does the fact that bz2 isn't installed on most proprietary Unix or
> Windows make .bz2 a 'non Unix native' date format? Nope, because you
> can get tools to easily unpack a bz2 on Soalris, Windows, etc. As you
> can with RPM.
bz2 is a general compression format, not a specific package archive
format. 7zip (IIRC, on the GnuWin II disk) handles this.
I'd _still_ argue against using bz2 in general because it _is_ new
enough not to be generally supported. On 'Doze, PKZIP is still a
standard (and well supported on 'nix). In general I prefer tar.gz.
Oh, and I suppos you're aware that both cpio and afio have some solid
technical advantages (in storage format) over tar. Yet they have a
fraction of the use of tar. Ever consider that?
Karsten M. Self <email@example.com> http://kmself.home.netcom.com/
What Part of "Gestalt" don't you understand?
A few years ago you could buy a CD, knowing that it was a standard
product... Now, you...find that you can play it in your hi-fi, but
not in your car. Next time, you're not going to make that mistake,
you'll just log on to Kazaa and download an MP3.
-- Pete Chown, on why DRM promotes piracy.
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