[linux-elitists] Yet another mozilla atrocity

Nick Moffitt nick@zork.net
Mon Sep 29 09:01:49 PDT 2003

begin  J. Paul Reed  quotation:
> On 28 Sep 2003 at 16:56:25, Aaron Lehmann arranged the bits on my disk to say:
> > I've had many disputes with the mozilla team over the years. The
> > foremost and most obvious one is over the use of XUL, which is a
> > pile of shit.
> And what would *you* have done?
> I'm willing to bet you're going to give an incomplete answer to that
> question, mainly because the question that is implied by asking such
> a question is "What were the requirements?"

	Here's my personal favorite XUL rant:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=71296&cid=6454939 (found in
> Please notice that despite the nonstop handwaving from the Mozilla
> team about how maintaining seperate native interfaces for the
> assorted Gecko frontends was supposed to be some sort of impossible
> herculean task that no reasonable person could be expected to
> tackle, in the time that it took to produce ONE semi-functional
> version of Mozilla, Opera Software, a company with not even a tenth
> of AOLNSCP's resources, produced multiple versions of a fully
> functional web browser, for all of Mozilla's major target platforms.
> Not only did they produce, maintain and upgrade native Windows,
> MacOS and Linux versions of Opera, but they increased their market
> share, and made money doing it.
> "We had no choice but to implement XUL/XPFE" is the Big Lie of the
> entire Netscape saga. The fact that mozilla team members are still
> stating it with cultish earnestness suggests not that you all came
> to a reasoned engineering decision, but that your project management
> was not merely incompetant, but downright pathological. 

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