[linux-elitists] Nobody's favorite language? C++ and free software
Wed Mar 26 03:06:07 PST 2003
Quoting Alan DuBoff (aland@SoftOrchestra.com):
> I was browsing through Debian stable, and there are more Java tools available
> than there has ever been on Linux.
To repeat: The key pieces (VM and classlibs) are perennially very
incomplete and very behind the times, with no prospect of this
improving. You have talked extensively _around_ this point, but have
not acknowledged or addressed it.
> An app server works as a fancy macro processor.
Ah. Thanks for clearing that up. So, no JRE, ergo not the conventional
Java model at all.
> Do you not consider PHP a programming language in the same regard?
Wrong question. PHP does not aspire to be primarily a general-purpose
programming language using a virtual machine to achieve universal
portability (despite its command interpreter).
> kissme wraps the gcc java libraries and is 100% free AFAIK.
To repeat: libgcj is Kaffe, and prone to the aforementioned ongoing
suckitude, for previously described reasons.
I'm not familiar with libservlet, but you seem to suggest that this is
just a macro-to-HTML preprocessor.
> I don't see this as cheating....
Oh well. I'm not going to argue. I think list readers generally will
get the point.
> I'm not sure of the limitations of the gcc JVM in regards to complete Java
Yes, that is apparent, and has lead to my having to repeat myself a few
times. Which I hope to avoid doing again.
Cheers, My pid is Inigo Montoya. You kill -9
Rick Moen my parent process. Prepare to vi.
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