[linux-elitists] LOCAL Stanford University: face down the DMCA enforcers (fwd)

Larry M. Augustin lma@lmaugustin.com
Sun Jan 19 08:39:03 PST 2003



I'm on a mailing list where someone has suggested that people protest at the
upcoming EE380 on Solving High Technology Crime.

Quoting myself:

> >Has anyone talked to Dennis?  Before jumping to any conclusions, or
> >organizing any kind of protest or demonstration, talk to Dennis.

My suggestion that people talk to you and learn all the facts before doing
anything appears to have been met with a very negative reaction by at least
one person.

I believe that I've quoted the relevant posts in the thread below for your


> ----- Forwarded message -----
> Date: Sunday, January 19, 2003 4:34 AM
> From: Eugen Leitl <eugen@leitl.org>
> To: Linux Elitists List <linux-elitists@zgp.org>
> Subject: RE: [linux-elitists] LOCAL Stanford University: face down the
> DMCA enforcers (fwd)
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 10:10:08 -0800 (GMT)
> From: John Young <jya@pipeline.com>
> To: cypherpunks@lne.com
> Subject: RE: [linux-elitists] LOCAL Stanford University: face down the
>     DMCA enforcers (fwd)
> Based on Larry Augustin's apology for cops and his avowed closeness to
> them, a protest is even more deserved against him if not the other
> participants.
> Larry appears to be quoting from the COPS PR manual for garnering public
> support to offset deserved criticism of official misbehavior.
> Larry is not alone in seeing the lucrative benefits of defending the giant
> law enforcement and national security industries, why you can read the
> turncoats all around the world of digital opportunity going on about the
> need for vigilance on the dangerous Net and worse, advocating prowling
> Intel-inside private computers networks to spot looming threats.
> As just one example see Counterpane's recent crowing about success, one of
> its lengthening series of warnings about the need for more and more
> security against the dangerous digital hordes, and less and less warnings
> about the need to protect against official and commercial invaders who are
> handing out lucrative contracts to Net security firms and professionals.
> Nothng like a fat bribe to convert pagans to organized terrorists
> screaming beware the sinners. Hmm, wasn't St. Augustine a prime role model
> for that crossover, as if Larry Augustin is a namesake.
> To be sure, informers are best recruited from the pagans for they know how
> to magnify the hazards of their clan.
> At 12:00 PM 1/19/2003 +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> >Hold your fire for a moment. Could be hitting the wrong ones.
> >
> >---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 00:25:10 -0800
> >From: Larry M. Augustin <lma@lmaugustin.com>
> >To: linux-elitists@zgp.org
> >Cc: 'Don Marti' <dmarti@zgp.org>, 'Karsten M. Self'
> <kmself@ix.netcom.com>
> >Subject: RE: [linux-elitists] LOCAL Stanford University: face down the
> >    enforcers
> >
> >I think that it would be a big mistake to do anything that might be
> viewed
> >as even the slightest bit disruptive in this venue.  Further, I think
> you're
> >jumping to conclusions to assume that the DMCA is relevant to these
> >speakers.
> >
> >Dennis Allison and John Wharton, both of whom I have known for years, are
> >sympathetic to free software and sympathetic to the problems with the
> >Dennis regularly brings in Bruce, Eric, and Richard as speakers.  I've
> >spoken at this seminar on 2 or 3 occasions.  Bruce was just there a few
> >weeks ago talking about the RAND vs. RF patent policy issues.
> >
> >Cops have a tough job.  They deserve our thanks for doing a tough job.  I
> >have a number of close friends who are cops.  I think they deserve more
> >benefit of doubt than "Target the _speakers_ and _philosophy_".  It
> doesn't
> >sound like these are people that write the laws or make policy.  Maybe
> they
> >spend their time fighting real computer crime like identity theft and
> >crackers.  They deserve our support in that job.
> >
> >Has anyone talked to Dennis?  Before jumping to any conclusions, or
> >organizing any kind of protest or demonstration, talk to Dennis.
> >
> >Larry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: linux-elitists-admin@zgp.org [mailto:linux-elitists-admin@zgp.org]
> On Behalf Of Karsten M. Self
> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 6:46 PM
> To: linux-elitists@zgp.org
> Cc: Don Marti
> Subject: Re: [linux-elitists] LOCAL Stanford University: face down the
> DMCA enforcers
> on Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 05:08:47PM -0800, Don Marti (dmarti@zgp.org)
> wrote:
> > Richard Stallman just passed this along to me.  I won't be around,
> > since I'll be in New York for LinuxWorld, but someone else might
> > want to organize a group of freedom-loving people to go and hand
> > out some anti-DMCA flyers, ask good questions, and so on.
> >
> > "How can you enforce laws that ban Academic Freedom in computer
> > science and then walk into a university and ask for help?"
> >
> > Remember, protests and demonstrations are GOOD FOR YOUR HEALTH.
> Note that the CSL Colloquia are a great opportunity to meet with all
> sorts of folks on all aspects of technology.  The faculty, particularly
> John Wharton, are very aware that they offer an opening for the public,
> and the range of viewpoints presented is large (Lessig spoke at the CSL
> a year ago).
> Target the _speakers_ and _philosophy_, not the program itself.
> That said -- go forth and make a joyous noise ;-)
> >
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/nm/20021223/hl_nm/protests
> _demonstrations_dc
> >
> >
> >                  4:15PM, Wednesday, Jan 22, 2003
> >        NEC Auditorium, Gates Computer Science Building B03
> >                    http://ee380.stanford.edu[1]
> >
> > Topic:    Solving High Technology Crime
> >           Academic Partnership in Crime Fighting
> >
> > Speaker:  Gregory S. Crabb
> >           United States Postal Inspector
> >           San Francisco Electronic Crimes Task Force
> >
> > Other participants include:
> > Robert Rodriguez, Assistant Special Agent in Charge, United
> > States Secret Service
> > Richard Perlotto, Cisco Systems
> > Chris Lalone, Network Security, eBay
> > Mike Miravalle, CEO, Dolphin Technologies
> > Fred Demma, Dolphon Technologyies
> <...>
> --
> Karsten M. Self <kmself@ix.netcom.com>
> http://kmself.home.netcom.com/
>  What Part of "Gestalt" don't you understand?
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