[linux-elitists] What's some marketing buzzwords for what we do?
Tue Dec 31 12:37:20 PST 2002
On Tuesday 31 December 2002 11:11, Larry M. Augustin wrote:
> But when people tout StarOffice as a general replacement for MS Office, I
> start to get a bit frustrated. I can't in good conscience recommend
> StarOffice to most people. It's just too buggy. I've lost too much data
> using it. I even tried the Windows version once just to see if it was just
> the Linux version. It wasn't.
This is where we certainly disagree. Not only can I reccomend it in good
conscience, but to be honest there have been cases where OpenOffice would
print PowerPoint presies where ms-dos-office wouldn't. When I was working at
Cisco last year, my entire department (except me;-) was using ms-dos-w2k and
ms-dos-office. I can't remember the exact version of ms-dos-office they were
using, but a newer version came out and their ms-dos-office would open the
document from another department, but crashed ms-dos-office when they tried
to print it. The latest OpenOffice at the time could print it, although there
was one or two graphics that it slightly munged...I'd take that over a crash
any day. I was also able to edit genuine ms-dos-office documents, exchange
those changes with my colleagues, and do the work I was needed to get done in
ms-dos-office. It worked fine, and it didn't crash on me.
My guess is that you were probably using the older 5.2 version of StarOffice
which did not work nearly as well. The latest StarOffice 6 and OpenOffice
work quite well, and not just "good enough", they're worthy of reccomending
to any of my clients. I believe I mentioned this to you at SVLUG and you said
you weren't sure but it had been "a while" since you looked at it.
> So I suppose there are a set of people who just want basic word processor
> functionality, and therefore manage to stay within a set of StarOffice
> functions that don't crash. Maybe StarOffice is "good enough" for them.
I would like to make it clear though, it's not just "good enough", but "as
good" as ms-dos-office in *most* cases.
> But I still think it's crappy software... And I really hate advocating for
> crappy software.
And that's fair. There are some things I can critisize about it which I don't
care for and would like to see changed/fixed, but it really is able to
function as production software at the point it is at. For instance, some
menus/dialogs are slow to pop up, but that is rectified with most modern
hardware. StarOffice/OpenOffice use XML for documents, and that is where
ms-dos-office is promising to "take you tomorrow".
> > Are there any numbers on office suite ROI?
> Good question.
I'd like to see just the investment portion of that equation.
> That aside, I would guess that office suite ROI would be measured by the
> time to accomplish a task. E.g. define a set of "office" tasks and measure
> the time for a person with the same amount of training in each product to
> accomplish that task. At least that's how I think of it when I do some
> office suite task.
Ok, so now we're down to the meat of the issue. Granted there are *some*
functions that are not available as VB script doesn't run on Linux
(THANKFULLY;-) and that could be where it could fall short. However, few
people are really excercising that in their office documents. I honestly feel
that a 1 day training course would have most all people using Star/OpenOffice
that currently use ms-dos-office.
Most of these users don't need to know how to modify init scripts, compile
new programs, or convert dec to hex like geeks do, they can get by using
Star/OpenOffice and a mail client.
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