[linux-elitists] Re: Which Web services are the most bestest ones? (fwd)

Eugene Leitl Eugene.Leitl@lrz.uni-muenchen.de
Fri Jul 6 08:00:21 PDT 2001

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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:55:24 -0400
From: Eirikur Hallgrimsson <eirikur1@mediaone.net>
To: Dave Winer <dave@userland.com>
Cc: FoRK@xent.com
Subject: Re: Which Web services are the most bestest ones?

Dave Winer wrote:
> Try to make this point at the open source convention -- this will be a
> foreign concept to most Unixers.

No, Dave, you are missing the point about Unix entirely.  It's not about
bloatware, it's about the most elegant, smallest possible program, usually
with no GUI.

Unix is far more modular and script-friendly than Macintosh and has
a  wider variety (horses for courses) of scripting languages available.
Go looking for pipes and I/O redirection on Mac sometime.   Unix gives all
programs (for free = no implementation time) stuff that you have to contrive
on Mac.   AppleEvents compare pretty favorably to Unix Signals, but after that
things really don't compare.

My MP3 player is made up of four programs, a one-line command that is
not atypical of what a Unix person will type, put in a file, or attach to an

curl -s <<stream URL>> | cpipe -b 100 | madplay -v - --output=raw:- | esdcat

So, sucking, buffering, data-format conversion and output presentation are
handled by four specialized applications, each of which is entirely
replaceable, and not just by something written to replace it, because no
special APIs are used.

It's true that some of today's freeware zealots know more about Windows
and Mac, than they do about exploiting their own platform.    Miguel de Icaza
is busy reinventing Microsoft (at a bit of a time lag) at Ximian, etc.



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